Dear Readers,
I’m not a
fan of debating religion most of the time. Unless you find someone who is
pleasant to debate with, things can get unreasonable, the opposite of what a
debate should do. Also, most of the time, I just don't have the energy to get involved with such a long debate. Below, I have a short story I wrote in the form of a journal
entry a few years ago. The event never happened, but it illustrates part of my
view on where people put blame in the wrong place and it affects their actions
towards certain people. This debate was to not to prove that religions are true, but that their ideas and values are not responsible for the evils in the world. The comment at the end also helped shaped my opinion of
debates.
While the
event never happened like it is described, parts of it did. The actual
arguments are taken from a debate. The part about who it was with is fiction
because I wanted to simulate what might happen if I tried doing giving money
like I thought. It is actually an example of an idealism that I have where if
the poor gives to the poor, then that is far greater than if a rich man gave to
the poor. I hope you enjoy it.
N.D. Moharo
Tuesday, January 12, 2010 (Adam)
Today was
an eventful day for sure. At least it is a memorable day. I’m not just talking
about the earthquake in Haiti. That is really sad too. It was such a
devastating one. There are so many people there that need help. Yet, in spite
of all this, I somehow got pulled back into realizing there are people just
outside in the neighborhood that need our help.
I went to the store to pick up some
groceries when I saw a homeless man sitting on the bench out there. I felt an
urge to do something, but then I had another thought. I put down my groceries
and looked through my wallet. I took out some money and went to the guy. I have
heard my dad and others talk about their problems with giving money to a poor person.
The most common I heard was they would probably use it on alcohol. However, in
spite of that, I’ve seen my dad give a few bucks. I had an idea, though, so I
gave him $11.11.
As I gave the money to the man, I
told him why the specific amount. I told that I didn’t really care what he
ended up spending it on. If he spent it on beer, then at least the beer would
give him some peace for a little while. But I told him that he had a choice.
The money could go toward food or something to help better his condition or be
wasted. The choice was his and I was only providing him a chance. I told him
that I felt like we all could use another chance every now and then. I then
gave him another choice.
As I grew up, my mom always told me
to give away 10% of any income, generally to church. I didn’t really like it
that much as I was younger. It almost seemed like a tax. Of course it’s very
different since taxes are mandatory and seem to be wasted while donations are
optional and generally used for good. Yet, as I got older it got easier to part
with the money. I think it’s because you begin to realize that you don’t need
it so much and at the same time, you are giving it to someone who does. So I
instructed the man to give away $1.11 to someone else who may need it. And then
he should tell whoever got the $1.11 to likewise give away the 11 cents.
He then asked why he should give away
the money in the first place since I gave it to him. I replied because it would
be honorable. I pointed out that if a rich man gave to the poor, it would be a
good deed. However, if a poor man were to give to another poor man, then it
would be a great deed and worthy of praise even if no one were to recognize it.
In continuing with my instructions, I added
that if at any point that no one could be found, then the 10% should be donated
at the church. I asserted that it should be because it was the idea of Jesus
that inclined me to give the money away in the first place.
That last comment began a discussion
then on religion. The man scoffed at that idea. He said religion was evil and
there is no God. When I asked why, he responded that the idea of a God that
preaches unconditional love for all yet condemns people. He asked how can you
love someone but disapprove of their actions since we were “given by God” free
will?
My answer to that entailed looking at
the example of a good parent. I made my claim that it is possible to love
someone but still disapprove of their actions and it would not be hypocritical.
Good parents show this when they discipline their children for doing something
wrong, such as stealing. They still love them, but they discipline because they
know it’s best for them. I then moved to the idea of free will. We are given a
freedom to choose between good, evil, and things that are indifferent. We are
free with any choice to be a good model for others or not. Freedom does not
grant the ability to do whatever we want, it means we are responsible for what
we do. After all, if a robot went around and killed people, the responsibility will
fall on the person controlling it and not the robot itself. In fact, when we
try to escape the blame, we say someone “made me do it”.
The man tried to tackle my parental
example and said good parents try to “rehabilitate” their children. They don’t
condemn them to eternal hell. I agreed on that because for them to do that
would violate their faith. It is God that judges where we end up and that is
based off a multitude of things. We are only able to disapprove of certain
actions. We cannot say how the person may end up. All we can do is hope to
correct their behavior so that they may avoid hell. It’s our choice whether or
not we go to hell.
Not giving up, the homeless stranger
said all faiths do the same. They all are hypocritical. He asked how can a God
that preaches love and equality advocate the killing and torture of thousands
in his name? How can other religions with the same basic principles of love and
caring be demonized. He then claimed he wasn’t criticizing Christianity but all
religions. He was asserting that religions have caused so much evil in the
world.
My answer was that it was simple.
Humans can be that stupid. There are some who were shown the truth and
how we are supposed to act only to deny it and act according to how they want
to. Just because someone doesn’t follow the laws of his religion doesn’t mean
the religion was wrong. If a religion preaches to love another and some of its
“followers” don’t, it does not mean the faith was wrong to preach to love
another.
Continuing in his position, the
poor man referred to the Crusades and Spanish Inquisition. He claimed that
religion was the cause of these things. I then asked if religion is what really
sets people off? I pointed out that it is used often as an excuse when the real
reason is politics. For example, the Spanish really wanted a strong united
kingdom, and religion was the tool they wanted to use to make this happen. In
reality, when they said it was for religion, they were lying. Just because
someone uses it as an excuse does not mean the teachings were wrong. I pointed
out to him that he was really criticizing the people, not the religion.
He kinda agreed with that
statement. He said he was criticizing the people because they are the ones who
carry the idea, since religion isn’t a person but an idea. He laughed at the
hypocrisy and how it has done damage to society.
Again, I had to tell him that he
was placing the blame in the wrong place. How can something a religion preaches
against be attributed to it? If religion is an idea, then how can it do this?
How can it act against itself? It’s only the people who do the wrong and
corrupt what is good who are to blame, not the faith they claim to practice. To
rebuke his claim on the society aspect, I referred to how religion has given us
models like Mother Teresa who followed religion properly. I admitted that some
religions are in fact made up for the purpose to be an excuse or earn money,
but that doesn’t mean all of them are like that.
In his
obstinacy, he said that Mother Teresa was a good person, but she didn’t really
have a lasting impact on the world. I had to challenge him on that since she
inspired others to follow her lead and help the poor.
His defense to that was she was a
minority. He said religion is power and those in power are corrupted. He said
religion is just a tool that is manipulated by the few to control the many. He
said it rots everything it touches, especially the human mind. He brought up
the topic of Creationism versus Evolution. On one side, there is the Holy Books,
and on the other is the culmination of human understanding and knowledge.
However, people refuse to acknowledge that religion isn’t always right.
My counter began with saying
depends on which religion you choose. You cannot claim religion is always right
because there are so many religions that contradict each other. That is why if
there is a proper religion, there must be only one. Continuing with that, I
told him about how I learned to see the Bible in that case. Some people take
the creation story very literally, but you can see it is written as very
mythical and literary. The 7 days of creation cannot be literal days. This is
because the basis for a day wasn’t the hours but the sun. And the sun wasn’t
there until like the “fourth day.” I told him that the belief I was taught is
that evolution is certainly a possibility. In fact, if evolution is true, then
it would be more plausible that there is a God. Because it’d be one thing to
just make something appear. It’d be even more outstanding if something appeared
with the ability to evolve from practically nothing. Religion and science can
work together. They operate on two different sides of knowledge and can overlap
at a few parts.
To address his point on the
corruption of power, I asked how he could expect to convince me of his position
when he is only pointing out the problems in human nature. Again, I showed him
that he was placing the blame in the wrong place.
I finally gave him a hypothetical.
Perhaps there is no God and all religion is a complete scam. Even then, it is the
best scam we could hope for that has helped society so much. If there is no
afterlife paradise, then perhaps it’s even better. Because then, the people who
did good deeds really did sacrifice themselves for others for nothing in
return. I argue that Christianity is a good thing. Even if it is all a lie, the
examples we are given and the saints who live among us make this world
bearable. It inspires people to be good men and women. To help out those who,
if there is no God, just by chance, are in a horrible situation. I hope there
is a God simply so that these people who sacrifice themselves for others will,
in fact, be rewarded. If you look at the
teachings of many religions, they are what we needed to become a better
society. It is then our choice whether or not to act on it. In fact, like I
said before, it was because of religion’s influence that I was giving him the
money.
At that point he finally gave in
and said that I had good points. In fact, he said that his hatred of God had
lessened as a result of the debate. He told me that I was one of the most
logical thinkers he has argued with. He praised me on that saying that logical
thinkers don’t get angry so easily, but I kept my cool, unlike the idiots who
fill our world. But then he commented that I am part of a minority, but if
there were more people like me, it would make the world better and thanked me
for it all, including the money and that he will do as I instructed. To make
matters more interesting, the crowd that had gathered and heard our debate
applauded for the conclusion. Some people even came up and praised me on being
able to hold my ground like that. They even gave money to the guy as I was
leaving. For some reason, I felt like I did something really good and it all
started because I decided to give a poor man $11.11.